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Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 03:29 am
The secret life of Eurabia

They say: "Eurabia... is essentially a political project for a total demographic and cultural symbiosis between Europe and the Arab world, where Israel will eventually dissolve. America would be isolated and challenged by an emerging Euro-Arab continent that is linked to the whole Muslim world and invested with tremendous political and economic power in international affairs." (Interview with Bat Ye'or, who coined the phrase, in Front Page magazine)

I say: Eurabia is a silly, hysterical meme being broadcast by right wingers. But it's interesting to me insofar as it sums up right wing fears (of Islamic immigrants "swamping" Europe, etc etc) the same way my own meme "Angrael" sums up left wing fears (of Anglo-Saxon countries becoming Israel-style "security states", etc etc). They're both conspiracy theories, and lots of facts can be cited to "show" that the future belongs to one or other scenario. Mainly, though, they're political scare stories designed to shift policy in ways we want to see it shifted.



They say: "It's the demography, stupid... the West is in danger of extinction... Much of what we loosely call the Western world will not survive this century, and much of it will effectively disappear within our lifetimes, including many if not most Western European countries... the EU's population will be 40 percent Muslim by 2025." (Mark Steyn in The New Criterion)

I say: Jesus God, what neo-Spenglerian crap! Steyn's stats on demographics are refuted usefully here by Pearsal Helms. Nevertheless, it's fascinating to tie this in with my Fashion Muslim action. In the view of these anti-Muslim Paul Reveres I am already one of the fallen, the corrupted! Look at the facts: I'm a white European, but I've already been married to a muslim, I wear muslim clothes, and my favourite record is "Musique Arabo-Andalouse" by the Atrium Musicae de Madrid, a reconstruction of the utterly lovely sounds resulting from the cultural fusion that happened when large parts of southern Europe really were under the control of the moors! And it's funny to imagine Hajj preparations as the lead story on the BBC News website in 2025!

They say: "Dhimmi was the name applied by the Arab-Muslim conquerors to indigenous non-Muslim populations who surrendered by a treaty (dhimma) to Muslim domination. Islamic conquests expanded over vast territories in Africa, Europe and Asia, for over a millennium (638-1683)... Dhimmitude is not exclusively concerned with Muslim history and civilization. Rather it investigates the history of those non-Muslim peoples conquered and colonized by jihad. (Dhimmitude.org) "Dhimmis, 'protected people,' are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the law that global jihadists are laboring to impose everywhere, ultimately on the entire human race." Dhimmiwatch

I say: By a cunning act of sleight-of-hand -- by proposing a sci-fi future in which the present tables of dominance and subordination are turned -- muslim minorities are presented as the majority and today's majority suddenly become the enslaved minority, the dhimmis. We're supposed to recoil in horror from this image of future oppression by today's oppressed, and enact appropriate legislation and/or genocide to prevent it. But what if we like what Islamization does to European cities? What if we think that Kreuzberg's Turkish markets actually contain the real spirit of medieval Europe (they're the closest thing you'll find to a Brueghel painting in Berlin)? What if we enjoy the very vitality that fills rightists with apprehension, the sex drive that puts the birth rate in Islamic countries bordering the EU at twice the rate of EU nations?

They say: Dhimmitude in Britain: Muslim women exempt from ID card photos!

I say: This "Boo hoo, it's not fair!" attitude ("why are they allowed to cover their faces on ID cards, and we aren't?") leads to accusations of "asymmetrical multiculturalism", identified by right wingers as a weakness of the liberal position. Why do we encourage minorities to celebrate their ethnic specificity while making it taboo for the indigenous majority to do the same? Why are we tolerant even of the intolerance of others? The answer is that power changes everything. It is because we're the majority that we must indulge minorities but not indulge ourselves. Deconstruction theory tells us that every binary has a dominant and a repressed element. There can be no "fairness" in treating those elements as if they were equal, and even less in proposing, through sci-fi scenarios like "Eurabia" and "dhimmitude", that the repressed element is somehow about to become the dominant one. Multiculturalism needs to be asymmetrical because power imbalances make asymmetry the reality.

Some Norwegian fascists speculate: "Europe's fate is sealed when Turkey is allowed into the Union, and becomes its largest member. Freedom of speech will be shut down, and any criticism of Islam banned. Eurabia will become a global center for Jihad activities, as the dhimmi taxpayers and infidel Western technology give a boost to the Ummah. For this reason, the Americans, the Israelis, the Indians, the Russians and maybe even the Chinese will have to crush Eurabia by brute force, as it will represent a grave security threat for them. Muslims will be heavily concentrated in the major cities, and the dhimmi native population will retreat into the countryside. I believe something similar took place in the Balkans during Ottoman Turkish rule. The old nation states will thus slowly die, as their major cities, which constitute the brain and "head" of its culture, are cut off from the rest of the body. Europe's decline into Eurabia will be speeded up by the fact that millions of educated natives with the means to it will move to the USA or other nations. This trickle of Eurabian refugees wil eventually be slowed down by the authorities in the now totalitarian Europe, as it will erode the tax base. Native Europeans will simply be banned from leaving. There will be no war in Western Europe, as its civilization is already dead and very few will bother fighting for it." (From the blog of Fjordman, a fearsome fascist of the fjords.)

I say: Well, mostly I laugh with a laugh so huge it fills the fjords. But also I'm quite interested, because I like zany sci-fi. For instance, I also learn from one of Fjordman's guests that G.K. Chesterton outlined a similar scenario in a novel called The Flying Inn. "In this novel - written almost 100 years ago - Chesterton postulates a (then) future Britain where an attempt is made to impose Islam on the English by a mixture of da'wa, stealth invasion and collusion by a treacherous political and business elite." The theme also informs some contemporary art. Robert Gligorov's "Eurabia Place de l’Etoile" shows the Arc de Triomphe dressed up as the sacred black stone of Mecca, the kaaba. And Gregor Schneider's "Cube Venice" does the same for the Piazza San Marco in Venice.



They say: "Europe becomes more and more a province of Islam, a colony of Islam. And Italy is an outpost of that province, a stronghold of that colony. In each of our cities lies a second city: a Muslim city, a city run by the Quran. A stage in the Islamic expansionism." (Oriana Fallaci in her new book "The Strength of Reason," "La Forza della Ragione" in Italian.)

I say: Okay, shut up, you fascists, I'm bored now!

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cap_scaleman
cap_scaleman
cap_scaleman
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 06:47 pm (UTC)

Momus, you always hit the nail. I was actually worried that you had left your interests in European politics since the election of Germany last year. What do you think of the results of the election?


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imomus
imomus
imomus
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 06:54 pm (UTC)

I thought Schroeder was pretty good, the way he pretended he wasn't going anywhere right up until the last minute, forcing the desperate Merkel to hand all the important posts over to the SDP in exchange for the chancellorship she so desperately craved. Now she's a bit like the Queen of England: we'll see her a lot, but she won't have much to say.


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(Anonymous)
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 06:52 pm (UTC)


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luxetumbra
luxetumbra
lux
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 06:55 pm (UTC)

Multiculturalism needs to be asymmetrical because power imbalances make asymmetry the reality.

Kwame Anthony Appiah had a very good piece in the New York Time Magazine last week about this very issue. (I personally am of the "When in Rome" school.)


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triestine
triestine
full of vacuum
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 07:25 pm (UTC)

Agreed on "When in Rome". I don't see anything wrong about respecting the laws of a country one is visiting or moving to. If they want to see faces on ID cards, for example, or want you to carry a veil, then be prepared to show your face or cover it; if this is too much for you to comply with, simply don't go there. Frankly, though, I would much rather live in a world the diversity of which rests in the identity of places sooner than people: when in X, I am a part of X; when in Y, I am Y. I know I'm naive but I'd be so much happier if people were not so obsessed with belonging to a group.


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(Anonymous)
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 07:19 pm (UTC)
Unconvincing postmoderninst blather

While I'm not sure if I buy the right's paranoia here, I find this to be unconvincing postmodernist blather.

"Deconstruction theory tells us that every binary has a dominant and a repressed element."

So, do poststructuralist non-elucidative vacuous hermenuetics reinforce the competitive discourse of the post-neo-capitalist cultural dialectic?

There is a very real danger that the future will belong to fundamentalists. However, I view the right (especially the American right) as part of the fundamentalist axis. I fear both Islam and American militant Christianity, and I think that liberals need to extract their heads from their posteriors and start fighting both of these.


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(Anonymous)
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 07:44 pm (UTC)
Re: Unconvincing postmoderninst blather

At last, a voice of reason.


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(Anonymous)
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 08:00 pm (UTC)
So, does an oppressed group ever stop being oppressed?

If we accept the premise that multiculturalism needs to be asymmetrical in order to protect the oppressed groups, it becomes very important to have an unbiased heuristic for determining when a group ceases to be oppressed. Who decides? The group itself? A majority vote of the entire state or civilization? You? Me?

Related to this is the question of how to identify an oppressed group. And the question of how to identify a new oppressor group. These last questions might be the most important of all, if you care about remediating oppression before it becomes entrenched.


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montecristo
montecristo
Robert (Bro. Pepper-spray of Reasoned Discussion)
Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 01:33 am (UTC)
Sometimes the answer IS simple

Stop treating people as a group and treat them as individuals.


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luxetumbra
luxetumbra
lux
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 08:44 pm (UTC)
Re: I'm curious

I think it's this djelaba.


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chipuni
chipuni
Brent "Chip" Edwards
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 08:36 pm (UTC)

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I'm of European descent (mother from Estonia, father's father from germany), living in the Bay Area, California. I live next to Fremont, which has a very large Afghani population. the Bay Area as a whole has a large Hispanic population and good-sized Asian population. And all that I see is...

...it's been a great blessing to have so many different groups here. Period.


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lord_whimsy
lord_whimsy
whimsy
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 08:42 pm (UTC)
false dichotomy

Well, it's all science fiction until it actually happens, isn't it? Half of twentieth-century history reads like sci-fi in the abstract. Master race? Ethnic cleansing? Great Leap Forward? Atomic bombs? Apollo 11? Michael Jackson? A worldwide islamic fundamentalist caliphate may not even be remotely probable, but while there are thousands, perhaps millions, who think it might be a good idea, it remains within the realm of possibility.

Much of Europe has done a lousy job absorbing its North African and/or Muslim populations. When in Paris, I've had perfectly delightful conversations with Moroccan gentlemen, but I could see their expressions change and body language stiffen when a "native" Frenchman would approach. If anything, Europe needs to become even more western--that is to say, liberal-minded and inclusive. Right now, I don't sense this from either the European left or right--both employ a doctrinaire species of rationale rather than open-ended reason. A very destructive methodology, if you ask me--especially in light of the challenges that Europe now faces.

I think history (read: collective experience) is usually a much better model to work from than the theory du jour. Jove spare us from any more fundamentalists--political, intellectual and religious alike--and their big ideas. The Japanese might agree.


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stanleylieber
stanleylieber
Stanley Lieber
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 10:01 pm (UTC)
Re: false dichotomy

But if you would all just live the way I want you to...


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henryperri
henryperri
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 09:06 pm (UTC)

Like all socialists, you are naturally disposed against Western Civilization. All of the culture that it cherishes you see as a symbol of oppression. Your taste in art has been decided completely by your political alliances; this is why you write pieces on pop art exhibits and video installations instead of art by someone like Rodin--because it's subversive of Western culture.

You make it pretty clear that you would like to see the fall of Europe and America. And yet, like many other socialists who talk so much hot air, you continue to live only in Westernized countries. You like the Turkish market, but only in the context of the free market.

I don't know how seriously I take the demography problem in Europe. The latest issue of the New Criterion (for whom Mark Steyn writes) is focused solely on this issue. Let make it clear, however, that deep down, this is not an issue of oppressor vs. oppressed; this is the case of one system being more tolerant than the other and hence more desirable. You're crazy if you think, under a sharia, that you could write essays critical of the government and songs about coming on girls.


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aberranteyes
aberranteyes
I'm Mister Cellophane
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 10:19 pm (UTC)

Like all socialists, you are naturally disposed against Western Civilization.

And your evidence for this would be what, exactly?

You make it pretty clear that you would like to see the fall of Europe and America.

And he makes this clear where, exactly?


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peristaltor
peristaltor
The Peristaltic Testator
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 09:17 pm (UTC)

I too am bored with the fascist blathering. So much so, I don't worry too much about radical expansion. Why didn't the Moors push north past Spain? Too cold to bother conquering. Why didn't the Caliphates press East into China? Probably because of the Islamic prohibition on pork -- in case you haven't noticed, the Chinese do love their swine flesh. As the phrase describes, both parties reached an impasse.

I do find the exemption on ID photos troubling, as this represents in every respect the same mitigating force on religious expansion as cold rain and pork fried rice. I doubt the exemption will stand the test of the courts and/or practical application.

What wonderfully interesting insights you present. Do continue.


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king_chiron
king_chiron
Chiron
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 10:34 pm (UTC)

The Moors did attempt to push northward into France, but were stopped by the Franks, not because it was "too cold to bother conquering."


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rfmcdpei
rfmcdpei
Randy McDonald
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 09:42 pm (UTC)

The same people who complain about Eurabia now would have complained about Jew York City this time last century.


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pop__kandy
pop__kandy
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 10:06 pm (UTC)

For what it's worth, Steyn's specious statistics were also debunked by this science journalist / blogger here.

And one perspicacious political blogger has written up probably the longest, most comprehensive catalogue of Steyn's paid wingnuttery here.

It really makes you think - there seems to be a network of such people, and is their explicit purpose not just to rally the base with fearmongering, but to draw out liberal ire in a sort of "flypaper strategy" whereby logical arguments and reasoned discourse are twisted against the people who say them?

The shame is really that Steyn's a smart guy, a witty writer and a decent theatre critic, but who stoops to quote Ann Coulter while trying to position himself as heir to the William F. Buckley, intellectual-conservative tradition. Can't have it both ways...


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aberranteyes
aberranteyes
I'm Mister Cellophane
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 10:22 pm (UTC)

Steyn [...] stoops to quote Ann Coulter while trying to position himself as heir to the William F. Buckley, intellectual-conservative tradition.

As far as I can tell, the Coulters and Steyns and Ben Shapiros and other pro-braindeath types are the heirs of the Buckley tradition, or at least are the people who claimed the field after the actually-intellectual conservatives abandoned it.


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montecristo
montecristo
Robert (Bro. Pepper-spray of Reasoned Discussion)
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 10:43 pm (UTC)
Go look in the mirror

If you want to know why the fruitcake right keeps winning, even thought they are fruitcakes, it is because the opposition has become intellectually inbred to the point of stupidity.


Why do we encourage minorities to celebrate their ethnic specificity while making it taboo for the indigenous majority to do the same? Why are we tolerant even of the intolerance of others? The answer is that power changes everything. It is because we're the majority that we must indulge minorities but not indulge ourselves. Deconstruction theory tells us that every binary has a dominant and a repressed element. There can be no "fairness" in treating those elements as if they were equal, and even less in proposing, through sci-fi scenarios like "Eurabia" and "dhimmitude", that the repressed element is somehow about to become the dominant one. Multiculturalism needs to be asymmetrical because power imbalances make asymmetry the reality.


That's one of the most intellectually vaccuous pieces of prose I've read all week. Neo-Marxian clap-trap.


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imomus
imomus
imomus
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 11:11 pm (UTC)
Re: Go look in the mirror

It might have been nice if you'd actually tried to engage with the point it makes, rather than simply telling us it's "claptrap". The point it makes is that treating people with hugely different amounts of power the same way is not fair.

"Asymmetrical multiculturalism" is Eric Kaufmann's phrase, and you can read more about it in this entry, if you're interested.


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lyrane
lyrane
menschheit
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 11:23 pm (UTC)

The thing none of those catastrophe theories seem to take into account is that European ethnocentrism is as strong if not stronger than that of new immigrants. Europeans still hold all the cards financial, political, and in regards to the police. In their sense of their own liberal superiority, they will relinquish little, if any, of this power.

Also, these theories seem to deny the liberalization of Islamic culture that is taking place for some youth of the inner cities (as seen in the art coming out of Berlin) and could imply that Europe will eventually experience the "melting pot" effect like America did in the late 19th century. And yes, America is perhaps the sum of its Irish, German, Italian, African and Hispanic parts combined with the original British element, but in the long view, things worked out okay. It's been more than a hundred years and hey, the Irish haven't caused a religious war, the Germans haven't done anything but perfectly integrate, the Italians haven't brought a fractured political system, the Africans haven't brought ethnic wars (although this is probably because us whites, you know, destroyed all memory they had of their ethnicity), and the Hispanic, the most recent subjects of anti-immigration fear-mongering, haven't tried to put Texas or California under PRI control or Catholic law. Perhaps this is somewhat optimistic of me, but I think that yes, there are awful conflicts going on with new Islamic immigrants in Europe, but, given a decade, everybody will realize that getting along is really the best thing for themselves. It won't be as perfect an integration as Italians to the US, but I don't expect the be seeing the coronation of the Imam of Canterbury anytime soon.


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henryperri
henryperri
Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 02:49 am (UTC)

Here's the difference. When ethnic groups came to America in the 19th and early 20th century they HAD to assimilate, as there was nothing to fall back on. There did not yet exist the kind of government safety net that subsidizes a non-working underclass. The Present wave of immigrants in Europe are allowed to idle on the government's dole and the result is a deep-seated resentment and sense of entitlement. They're not made to feel as if they play any part in society and the apperance is that they're being swept under the rug.

Of course, the real purpose of these handouts is to assuage the guilt of the liberal European who is educated just enough to be self-conscious about his ancestors' past but too intellectually shallow to explore the socioeconomic effects of his policies.


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(Anonymous)
Sun, Jan. 8th, 2006 11:44 pm (UTC)
ART CHART

Momus

i think a long time ago you linked to a website that was an art gallery directory telling about current shows and hours and etc. do you remember this. i'm i crazy. i remember being surprise how good the site looked? please let me know if you remember? thanks


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loosechanj
loosechanj
LooseChanj
Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 12:01 am (UTC)

This reminds me so much of the anti-communist paranoia from the Cold War.

Velvet Elvis? Psh, velvet Mecca!!


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imomus
imomus
imomus
Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 12:08 am (UTC)

This reminds me so much of the anti-communist paranoia from the Cold War.

Very much so. Just as once you had all sorts of fairly ordinary people who seemed to be experts on Russian culture and could tell you all about the Soviet space program, numbers of warheads, the Stasi police etc, now you have people in small Norwegian towns who know all about the trickier points of sharia law and the ummah.


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svenskasfinx
NOT Greta Garbo
Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 12:14 am (UTC)
no better said...

They say: "Europe becomes more and more a province of Islam, a colony of Islam. And Italy is an outpost of that province, a stronghold of that colony. In each of our cities lies a second city: a Muslim city, a city run by the Quran. A stage in the Islamic expansionism." (Oriana Fallaci in her new book "The Strength of Reason," "La Forza della Ragione" in Italian.)

I say: Okay, shut up, you fascists, I'm bored now!


I can't contribute anything more right now.. it was just too perfect.


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lil_spacerocket
christopher james
Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 12:41 am (UTC)
i see things

the way i feel about things.. this kind of stuff naturaly feels right as if things like this were/are supposed to happen. i can't help too be more than just interested in muslim things. i couldn't explain why. im even more interested in native americans, both of the cultures mixed and the futeristic japanese as well.
i feel alot of things in these places.

i am a christian and i feel alone in the future but its all alright. im happy and welcome what is to come. old people are fucking things up. something needs to change or my faith will die around the world. i dont think it will but..
i wear feathers in my hair and put color on my face. america needs to change.
i rarely comment on your journal but its good. you always have something worth reading.


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akabe
akabe
alin huma
Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 02:33 am (UTC)

Superstudio projects in venice and paris ??


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schizmatic
schizmatic
Andrew Reeves
Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 03:13 am (UTC)

Uh, isn't it a bit self-contradictory to pooh-pooh the demographic alarmism of nutcases like Yeor and then a few paragraphs down gloat about Islamic fecundity? Just sayin'...


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imomus
imomus
imomus
Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 03:25 am (UTC)

My remarks about Islamic fecundity do relate to those countries outside the EU. In fact, when people from developing countries move to the EU and begin to adopt its lifestyles, their birthrate tends to fall.


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(Anonymous)
Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 01:14 pm (UTC)

all religions make me sick
all religions suck


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(Anonymous)
Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 04:18 pm (UTC)

I don't think you live in the 'real' world at all. Your vision of Islam is like something out of a Paris salon painting of a harem.

Lord Whimsey talks shite.

Conversing with Islamic gentlemen in Paris... etc. FUCK OFF.
HE is living in the G K Chesterton novel!!!!!!!

Having a fucking bag with tassles on it doesn't constitute as being Muslim.

I am left wing and I have a problem with a religion that is basically repressive to women - as with most other religions too. Its simple.

The issue is about being secular. Europe is become secular.




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nomorepolitics
nomorepolitics
Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 04:22 pm (UTC)
Islam is in no way a better alternative to Christianity

I fear Islam as much as I fear Christianity, and for the very same reasons. I think it would be better to fight both of these hierarchical and oppressive religions than to try to reconcile them, since the doctrines of both are equally hateful and dangerous, and contradict the philosophy of the body. By providing a better education to everyone, and providing secular ethics curricula starting from elementary school, we can do much to dissolve people's needs to turn to religion.

God is dead; and since we know it, why should we put up with people enforcing stale outdated moralities on us, when such moralities are to us clearly unfair and oppressive.

It is against existential ethics to let others enforce upon us their archain code of ethics, which we perceive as immoral. Why should we stand back and let others run the world for us (I mean "us" as individuals [of any race]).

The only way to have piece within nations is to overcome inequality by a better ethics that applies to everyone, no matter what their beliefs are. Every country can of course choose to do this in a different way. We can have seperate religions, but these religions should have no influence upon law, especially for a largely secular population.


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nomorepolitics
nomorepolitics
Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 06:42 pm (UTC)

Another problem I see with this is that you make a too definitive a division between "white" and "other," and equating white with Christianity. Most people see me as white; but having distincly pagan and partly gypsy roots, both oppressed by Christianity and what people call the "white" race, I find it difficult to postion myself as either "white" or not "white." This "black" vs "white" logic is obviously too simplistic to help us arrive at a resolution.

Why should I let others place a label on me just because I have light skin; and I decline that others should have privelages over me just because their skin is darker or their eyes are slanted. Everyone is equally responsible for racism, not just some abstract idea of "whites" who are responsible for all the evils in the world. I admit that inequality exists, but in most of the Western world it caters to the Anglo-Saxon male, not to all white people.


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(Anonymous)
Mon, Jan. 9th, 2006 10:40 pm (UTC)

Well - all it took was a switch to a guaranteed contraversial subject and Momus's comments are back up to healthy numbers.


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(Anonymous)
Tue, Jan. 10th, 2006 05:16 pm (UTC)
more architectural kaaba placement

http://www.projectrebirth.org/gallery/album008_revised_FreedomTower/model_view_south


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(Anonymous)
Tue, Nov. 21st, 2006 09:47 pm (UTC)
PLEASE STAND UP TO THE INVADERS

As an first-generation Italian-American, I can honestly say that I am afraid that Europe made a deal with the devil. It is a well known FACT that Islam opposes virtually every religion. These HIGHLY influential Islamic clerics are openly stating that they want to take over the west and create a world wide Islamic state. It is a part of a well documented islamic doctorine to , by all means nesseccary, DECIEVE the infidels(christians)in order to continue thier agenda. You guys better wake up, and fast!! You must realize that all of the Islamic aggression within your states is a HUGE WARNING SIGN that they do not like your way of life, and are only exploiting in order to sustain the path to Islamic dominnance over Europe, and the world. I know, to us people of the civilized nations, it just sounds like propoganda. However, I URGE ALL Europeans to at least research Islamic historic records, and to a much larger extent, research the true beliefes of todays Islamic society. So PLEASE, realize the fact that you are being invaded via immigration, and that your many of your top dogs encourage it. Even though I am an American, as most Americans, Europe is my motherland, where my roots, as well as the vast majority of my fellow Americans roots, come from. And I cannot bare to watch Europe become overrun by people who are taught from birth to destroy western civilization at any cost(FACT!!!). This is a treat that dwarfs that of Nazi Germany. These are, FOR THE MOST PART(weather you are in denial or not) the most distrustful, most deceptive people on the face of the earth. Remember that. TAKE BACK YOUR CITIES!!!!


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