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Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 04:08 am
You win again, prodigal wanker!

"Responsible middle" gets no help in crisis, runs the headline in the International Herald Tribune (which I guess means the story ran first in the New York Times). The article tells the tragic tale of a certain "Zach". Zach believes in Adam Smith's idea that the common good emerges when everybody works for their own selfish interest. He also believes in financial responsibility. But, as the article says, "if you’ve behaved responsibly and prudently all these years, you’re on your own. But if you’ve made colossal mistakes of greed and misjudgment — either by selling billions in mortgages to people who couldn’t afford to pay you back or by being one of the people whose eyes were bigger than their wallets— you might just get rescued, at the expense of taxpayers like Zach."



This theme -- that responsible people, people who save, are treated like criminals, while people who act badly, stupidly, greedily and wildly are bailed out -- also pops up in Analysis: The Threat of Thrift (listen for the next few days here). But Analysis doesn't just say the thrifty, virtuous person is treated like a criminal. It goes some way to saying the virtuous saver actually is a criminal.

Since I didn't study economics, this all comes as a bit of a bit of a shock to me. I'm a fairly typical cultural protestant: I value thrift, economy, cheapness, poverty, austerity. I value them on a financial level, a moral level, and also an aesthetic level. Put it this way -- I think David Bowie's son Duncan Jones looks a hell of a lot better, wiser and nicer than the guy doing a cabaret act in Las Vegas under his old name, Zowie Bowie. (In fact, Mr Bling-Ring-A-Ding is called Chris Phillips.)



But the economists interviewed in The Threat of Thrift say very little about the upside of austerity, and an awful lot about its downside. Peter Heslam of Cambridge University quotes Keynes: "The best guess I can make is that when you save five shillings, you put a man out of work for a day." Patriotic housewives, said Keynes, should hit the shops, doing themselves good and adding to the health of the country. This is called the paradox of thrift. Thrift may be a virtue for the individual, but it isn't a virtue for a larger unit, like a nation. (This in turn is called the Fallacy of Composition: the mistake you make when you infer that something is true for the whole when it's only true for some part of the whole.) Keynes said that in a recession it wasn't thrift which would save us, but the government, which could spend its way out of the vicious circles started by the paradox of thrift. And this is what most governments across the world are now doing.



So talk of the unfairness of "penalizing the virtuous", of returns to "conspicuous austerity", and of the new fashionability of "deferred gratification" is actually -- according to Keynes and his followers, anyway -- more socially sinful than talk of bling. Come back, Zowie Bowie, all is forgiven! And bring your chunky rings! As Anatole Kaletsky, chief economic commentator at The Times tells the Analysis programme, it's not saving that creates wealth, but investment. So if you save more than you invest, as Japan has been doing, your economy will decline, you'll create unemployment, and you'll spread that problem to the rest of the world. Bad Japan! Bad thrifty Japan!

Thrift is only a virtue on an individual level. You save because you might need the money "some rainy day". You "make do and mend", repairing old things rather than buying new ones. You eat old food in the fridge. You throw the fridge away. You feel ashamed when you waste things. You don't replace stuff that's not broken. It's all common sense. And it's all, apparently, wrong.

Unless, of course, we bring ecology into the picture. Because the earth cannot sustain endless economic growth. In fact, just bringing everyone in the world to the level Americans are at today would require multiple planet earths, in terms of the natural resources we'd need. (Check how many earths your lifestyle would require if everyone had it with this quiz. Mine would require two.) It can't happen; we just have one. So, instead of America, we need to follow the example of China, which is becoming, according to Peter Heslam of Cambridge University, "one of the great thrift nations", increasing its economic clout without, so far, increasing its levels of personal waste, personal debt and resource use to anything like American levels.



But even Peter Selby, the former Bishop of Worcester, can't bring himself to recommend austerity, not even as an eco-ethic. The sustainability thing is not about thrift, he says; instead we need to keep a flexible approach, saving when it's appropriate, borrowing when that's the right thing to do. You were burning to hear the bankers cast into hell with a fiery sermon? Tough shit.

Well, I guess it's all there in Christ's story of The Prodigal Son. The young son is a bling wanker who "wasted his substance with riotous living". The older son is virtuous, saves, stays down on the farm, works hard. The young son comes back and his father, inexplicably overjoyed, kills the fatted calf. The virtuous and austere older brother throws a hissy fit.



"Lo," he says to his dad, "these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends: But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf."

And his dad tells him -- the "responsible middle" -- to fuck off, basically. You win again, prodigal wanker!

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scythrop
scythrop
das Herz so rein und weiß
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 03:53 am (UTC)

You nearly scared me to death with that Zowie Bowie business.

Many scholars think the prodigal son parable is supposed to be an indictment of the pharisees. (I am pretty fond of the Lukan writings myself, and doubt they would truly advocate Hummers and bottle service.) The brilliant contemporary writer Brandon Scott warns against the traditional title of the parable as prematurely drawing a conclusion, and prefers "A Man Had Two Sons."

That said, it's not hard to see my own frustrations mirrored in your final paragraph.


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sundialtone.com
sundialtone.com
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 04:42 am (UTC)
Framing

To the Keynesians' credit, the idea is to save during times of prosperity and spend during recessions.

The big problem with this is that with our collective short memory span, we forget the saving part. This is how Republicans can call for tax cuts during times of prosperity (to share the wealth) and tax cuts during recessions (to increase spending).

Not to say I disagree with your take on these current events. American levels of spending/wasting/debt are clearly unsustainable on this current Man-Earth system.

The "but", which you touch upon, is that promoting an "everyone for themself" attitude is really damaging to solving the sustainability problem. Doomsday environmentalism, which is fairly popular (probably for the same reasons as doomsday Christian fundamentalism), is counter-productive.

I really believe that the only way we (humans) are getting out of this is by dropping the man vs nature framing (or waste vs austerity as in The Prodigal Son story).


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zenicurean
zenicurean
zenicurean
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 05:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Framing

Keynes himself was sensitive to the inability to cease spending:

"Organized public works, at home and abroad, may be the right cure for a chronic tendency to a deficiency of effective demand. But they are not capable of sufficiently rapid organisation (and above all cannot be reversed or undone at a later date), to be the most serviceable instrument for the prevention of the trade cycle."

And indeed, a government spending program once in place tends to stay in place.


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ebony_sphynx
ebony_sphynx
Stevie
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 05:17 am (UTC)

a bit depressing, isn't it? The question, I suppose, is what do we do, as a whole entity, about it? I know what I do about it and what my future plans are for improving things...but how does one go about getting the creature, as a whole, to stop glutting itself and actually change?


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krskrft
krskrft
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 05:46 am (UTC)

I think the point is that you save and engage in thrift so you can maintain your normal level of consumption if you ever hit a rough patch.

I don't think thrift is beneficial at all, in and of itself. if you're just packing away thousands of dollars, knowing full well that you'll never need a store of that size, you know, just because you're a miser and a spendthrift, well that's actually capital that you're potentially keeping out of the hands of those who could better use it. You'd be on better moral ground just giving away the savings that you'll never reasonably need to use to some type of charity.

On the other hand, if you live a thrifty life so that you don't need to do as much work, and can spend more time creating things and experiencing the world (this is how Momus has described his lifestyle in the past), then i think that's perfectly fine.

But there is this sort of perverted belief that all thrift and all savings of capital are equally virtuous, and I really don't think they are. Money exists to be spent. Building up these vast unused stores of it is absolutely pointless, and actually damages the opportunities of others around you. Of course, buying extravagant shit you'll barely ever use isn't the moral answer either. The moral response, I think, is to distribute the surplus wealth to trustworthy charities that directly serve and benefit people with less capital.


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count_vronsky
count_vronsky
count_vronsky
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 06:00 am (UTC)

So you've become the older brother! I remember this though, where you hinted at a prodigal past --
"The projector is symbolically significant because I had one ten years ago when I was living high in Clerkenwell (literally: I had a penthouse flat near the Barbican with a balcony and a flat roof the size of a tennis court), and I've been trying to claw my way back to that standard of living ever since." And "I have never in my entire life had an abundance of money in the bank! I blow anything I have on rent, travel and electronic gadgets." Now I realize that you are tying all this to a larger point about the credit crisis, and I am not trying to catch you out on cross examination, it's just that years ago a friend from college (who went on to become an Episcopal priest) gave me this book by Henry Nouwen. It was written after days of meditating in front of Rembrandt's Return of the Prodigal Son at the Hermitage and one of the themes I remember was that all of us circle through the various roles of the parable throughout our lives. (and I just realized as I wrote that sentence that I older-brothered someone earlier tonight --an old friend and the one person on this earth that can push my buttons, who called and I hung up on him and now I wonder what would have happened if I had had the kindness to be the Father instead)

"And his dad tells him -- the "responsible middle" -- to fuck off, basically. You win again, prodigal wanker!"

This has reminded me of another perplexing verse... "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."


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skazat
skazat
Alex à Paris
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 06:36 am (UTC)

My friend works at a Very Big Company (electronic bits), that just laid of 25% of their workforce (not him - he was lucky and he's also absolutely brilliant)

He's very sad and wished that, instead of people getting laid off, that everyone just worked one day less. Simplistically thinking, it should save the company the same (or more - one less day the entire company is basically open) and have everyone keep their job. But now, he has more work to do, in less time (and overtime - but that's gonna get old, fast)

It would also give him more free time to do the things he loves to do.

A lot of those things don't require gobs of money. It almost would balance out: he'd be more happy making less, by being able to do more of the things he loves.

Maybe it would nice, if everyone got to work less, have less and do more things, other than work, that didn't involve gobs of money.

I'm starting to sound like the Center for the New American Dream, so I'll stop.


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bugpowered
bugpowered
bugpowered
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 07:48 am (UTC)

And his dad tells him -- the "responsible middle" -- to fuck off, basically. You win again, prodigal wanker!

Actually, he tells him:

'My son,' the father said, 'you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.'

Your point would be **much much** better served with the parable of the Talents:

The parable tells of a master who was leaving his home to travel, and before going gave his three servants different amounts of money. On returning from his travels, the master asked his servants for an account of the money given to them. The first servant reported that he was given five talents, and he had made five talents more. The master praised the servant as being good and faithful, gave him more responsibility because of his faithfulness, and invited the servant to be joyful together with him.

The second servant said that he had received two talents, and he had made two talents more. The master praised this servant in the same way as being good and faithful, giving him more responsibility and inviting the servant to be joyful together with him.

The last servant who had received one talent reported that knowing his master was a hard man, he buried his talent in the ground for safekeeping, and therefore returned the original amount to his master. The master called him a wicked and lazy servant, saying that he should have placed the money in the bank to generate interest. The master commanded that the one talent be taken away from that servant, and given to the servant with ten talents, because everyone that has much will be given more, and whoever that has a little, even the little that he has will be taken away. And the master ordered the servant to be thrown outside into the darkness where there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Talents


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zenicurean
zenicurean
zenicurean
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 11:25 am (UTC)

I prefer the advice Jesus gives to the despodent rich man: "Go, and live in comfortable middle-class luxury, and give to the poor according to sensible proportionate tax rates set by the government's planning office, and so shall you have treasure in the Kingdom of Heaven."


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ferricide
ferricide
christian nutt
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 08:42 am (UTC)

i actually saw zowie bowie perform last year in vegas. paid for, with some irony i suppose, by a company that is very deep into bankruptcy and financial controversy right now.

the bartenders at the club, which is part of a casino/hotel complex, of course, when asked, would confirm that yes, he's david bowie's son (there was much drunken argument in my group re: this point. i'm not sure whether the staff is confused, cynically lying, or just do it to tease drunk patrons. i'd go with the last choice as it's what i'd do.)

his act is even more dreaful and amateurish than you'd expect, actually. his wife performs with him, joining him notably in a cover of "my humps" (she does the fergie bit, of course.) the whole thing is quite enthusiastic though.

Edited at 2009-03-12 08:42 am (UTC)


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kumakouji
kumakouji
クMAコUジ
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 09:06 am (UTC)

"So, instead of America, we need to follow the example of China, which is becoming, according to Peter Heslam of Cambridge University, "one of the great thrift nations", increasing its economic clout without, so far, increasing its levels of personal waste, personal debt and resource use to anything like American levels."

This contradicts a report I saw on Newsnight on BBC2 last night. The above might have been true but that's all sets to change very soon. (UK readers can watch this report here on BBC iPlayer and skip about 25 minutes in)

It used to be that China could rely on American trade to generate growth. However, because of the financial crisis in America, growth is starting to drop in China. Their solution? Target the peasants in the Chinese countryside. The government are now giving extra subsidies to the Chinese farmers specifically so they can buy modern utilities such as washing machines and fridges, and what's more, they're giving them the right to lease out their own land their own land and become landlords so they can earn extra money. What happened to Communism, guys?


A Chinese farmer's first ever Panasonic Washingmachine

They're trying to modernise the lives of the peasants for 2 reasons -- one, to create wealth in the country which will increase jobs and increase the amount of people who stay in the countryside to work rather than crowding cities, and two, to keep large amounts of unemployed people out of the city which has the potential to manifest itself as civil and political unrest.

I don't know how to feel about this. How can I condemn the Chinese government for modernising and improving the lifestyle of these people? And it is improvement - the man who received that washing machine said his wife used to have to wash her family's clothes by hand every other day. If you're an extremely hardline green supporter you might argue that the Chinese government shouldn't be encouraging mordernisation and consumerism in China's countrysides regardless of the improvements to lifestyle, but its very easy to say that when you're typing it all on a laptop surrounded by modern appliances yourself.

We're all fucked it seems. Whatever changes we make to our lifestyles here the west, Asia will render it meaningless.


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kumakouji
kumakouji
クMAコUジ
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 09:16 am (UTC)

Something I forgot to mention also -- China isn't a good example of a country to follow.

1) Thier economic growth is spurred on by Western consumerism. They might not be consuming themselves but thats where their wealth is from.

2) The only reason China isn't using as many resouces as America is because the gap between the rich and poor is huge and the poor in China don't have the money to consume like "the poor" in the West. That's all set to change though.


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cap_scaleman
cap_scaleman
cap_scaleman
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 09:11 am (UTC)

We also need to grow more Hemp, like China do.


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(Anonymous)
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 09:11 am (UTC)

Surely there's a big difference between being thrifty as a way of living within your means when you don't have much money, and being thrifty by not spending money even when you have it. (Didn't you once say that in the nineties, when you had a lot of money thanks to your hits with Kahimi Karie, you tended to blow it all on fancy electronics and the like?) In the former case you're not impeding the flow of money required to keep the economy afloat, but in the second case you are.


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krskrft
krskrft
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 10:01 am (UTC)

I think the problem is when people spend like maniacs during good economic times and then become thrifty when things aren't so good. Spending should actually be more normalized than that. People should spend a little less during good economic times so that, when the bad times come around, they can continue spending as they're accustomed to. If more people thought like this, we would have as much of a boom/bust effect going on in the economy. Growth would never be staggering, but at the same time, depressions (at least as we conceive of them now) would probably never occur.


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lana_sv
lana_sv
lana_sv
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 10:37 am (UTC)
)))

young man
young man


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(Anonymous)
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 01:08 pm (UTC)
Jesus would be a banker: why we need a post-capitalist religion

In a society where exchange is everything, thrift is utter spite at your fellow man. You refuse to keep them in a job.

Cheapness is the second pincer of greed (both are the desire to exploit other people by short-changing them for their work). Revolutionaries demand to pay more.

"Investments" are the desire to inflate value to the point where we price our fellow man out of existence. He literally cannot afford to breed.

~ the Pro-bling Communist


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eclectiktronik
eclectiktronik
eclectiktronik
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 01:22 pm (UTC)

You hit the nail on the head with this:
"the earth cannot sustain endless economic growth. In fact, just bringing everyone in the world to the level Americans are at today would require multiple planet earths, in terms of the natural resources we'd need...... It can't happen; we just have one."



and whilst capitalism's rampant consumerism as seen above, is fucking the world over, at least there are some areas of responsibility:
http://aviewtothesouth.blogspot.com/2006/10/wwf-cuba-is-only-sustainable-country.html




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kumakouji
kumakouji
クMAコUジ
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 01:44 pm (UTC)

One question though: Would you live there?


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bongo_kong
bongo_kong
bongo_kong
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 01:40 pm (UTC)

>>Bad Japan! Bad thrifty Japan!

Japan certainly does need to be thrifty because they're still paying off loans made against bubble-valued assets. Misguided government attempts to maintain stock prices merely exacerbated the problem, leading the country into yet more debt. It'll be years before they've properly recovered. I suppose you could say that they're thrifty out of necessity after years of profligate borrowing and spending. They were definitely ahead of the curve on this one.


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zenicurean
zenicurean
zenicurean
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 02:47 pm (UTC)

Lots of truth here.

Had Japan the political will to tackle the bubble crises at the turn of the eighties and nineties, had it aggressively cleaned out the banks instead of dallying around and then deciding to stimulate itself out of the recession by making dead institutions walk through fiscal voodoo, its public debt would probably not hover around 173 per cent of its gross national product right now.


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(Anonymous)
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 02:07 pm (UTC)

A friend and I saw a commercial from Ford or GM offering 60 months 0% APR financing or something. And we were joking about how it would be more patriotic to volunteer to pay a higher interest rate just to help subsidize American industry.


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uberdionysus
uberdionysus
Troy Swain: Black Box Miasma
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 03:41 pm (UTC)

Real quick: "the paradox of thrift" is an aggregate problem. Thrift IS a good thing, in the long term, and it's a good thing on the individual scale. The problem is only if everyone decides to save at the same time. Saving is still good, but it's awful if everyone saves when the economy is falling.


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(Anonymous)
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 03:58 pm (UTC)
eco-earth

being vegan, not having a car, living in a very small place and being scrupulous round the house reduces my footprint hugely. you'd need 0.83 earth's for many, many me's, apparently.


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imomus
imomus
imomus
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 04:27 pm (UTC)
Re: eco-earth

Did you find a "not having a car" option in that quiz, though? I had to pretend to have one, just to complete the question. Maybe I should have left it blank.


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zazie_metro
zazie_metro
sunshine wong
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 04:31 pm (UTC)

Must say that the general feeling in my world is one of poverty, but to see that the way I live still requires 1.19 earths is humbling. Thrift: less as resignation, more as discipline. Less as more.


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count_vronsky
count_vronsky
count_vronsky
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 05:13 pm (UTC)

Yokoo Jesus


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count_vronsky
count_vronsky
count_vronsky
Fri, Mar. 13th, 2009 02:03 am (UTC)


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subalpine
subalpine
subalpine
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 09:09 pm (UTC)

Zowie Bowies old and new,


meet the Godards:



"Rockstar Of The Art World"


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imomus
imomus
imomus
Thu, Mar. 12th, 2009 09:52 pm (UTC)

Of course, when Keynes said "when you save five shillings, you put a man out of work for a day" he was probably thinking of a British person saving five shillings, and a British man being out of work. Since then we've had a globalisation of capital and labour, and today you'd have to say: "when you save fifty pounds in the UK, you put a man out of work in China for a day."


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lord_whimsy
lord_whimsy
whimsy
Fri, Mar. 13th, 2009 01:01 am (UTC)

Duncan Bowie looks like yet another entitled artiste in poverty drag. Zowie Bowie is ridiculous of course, but amusingly so: he's making no bones about being an entertainer. Which one would turn more heads on a city street? Zowie's The Other, not Duncan.

It all comes down to what you feel is more sympathetic: a poor person's idea of what it is to be rich, or a rich person's idea of what it is to be poor. The poor are not going to valorize poverty anytime soon--they know better. They need their dreams, however incorrect and tasteless they may be to the elite.




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robinsonner
robinsonner
raymond
Fri, Mar. 13th, 2009 09:46 pm (UTC)

Ah Duncan has his mother's eyes!


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