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Wed, Jan. 7th, 2009 03:04 am
Japan's new sakoku?

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akabe
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alin huma
Wed, Jan. 7th, 2009 02:27 am (UTC)
Re: sakoku ?

that was me


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imomus
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imomus
Wed, Jan. 7th, 2009 02:32 am (UTC)
Re: sakoku ?

Interesting point; I left food out of the analysis, because I think food in Japan has quite a different status from cultural goods. I have, though, noticed a rash of TV shows about the problem -- and it is posed as a problem -- of Japan's over-dependence on imported food. There's a feeling that more should be grown locally, which fits the pattern I'm describing.


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akabe
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alin huma
Wed, Jan. 7th, 2009 03:14 am (UTC)
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i don't think the 2 overlap. you're talking about the fundamentals of trad japanese food being grown overseas ( approaching hysteria with poisoned gyoza from china etc) whereas what i'm saying is that real-tokyo feels more and more like berlin or nyc in terms of the choices of eating out)


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imomus
Wed, Jan. 7th, 2009 03:18 am (UTC)
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But you're saying that the main difference from the 90s is that real foreigners are making the food -- in other words that immigration has loosened up?


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alin huma
Wed, Jan. 7th, 2009 03:22 am (UTC)
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i guess so , also that you have more pockets of real foreign culture rather than the sublimated cultural artifacts of the 90s -- and i guess marxy's spiel on class takes my point to a loftier place


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(Anonymous)
Fri, Jan. 9th, 2009 04:22 pm (UTC)
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Yep, you hit the nail on the head. I live here and I am noticing how the young people in particular seem to criticize anything Western. 2chan is forever importing vids from the west that make us look like barbarians. One of the top vids on their japanese youtube clone is one where two western men are wrestling and having gay sex. There are no other vids about the west that had that kind of popularity except a vid where Ronald McDonald keeps falling down over and over again. Young people are not interested in the least in other cultures. They are unimaginative. I started to dislike talking to teenagers here. They are in general consumers of a culture that fetishizes wealth. They seem to have this naive consumerist belief that life will be better if you have more and more items. I think Japan use to be interesting when they were still taking the magic mushrooms. Now that those are illegal, I'm seeing a marked difference in the art. It's going down the drain fast and with it the culture. Oh well, it was a nice ride while it lasted.


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