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Tue, Jan. 13th, 2009 03:29 am
Utsu: drugging the ordinary sadness of Japanese and children

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aienn
aienn
aienn
Tue, Jan. 13th, 2009 04:56 pm (UTC)

now we're talking of a differences between Eastern/Western mindset, not really drugs. I recall two relatively big social catastrophes in my short life — the end of USSR in 1991 and the financial crisis of 1998. I recall millions of people losing jobs et cetera et cetera, but I don't recall anyone starting on antidepressants — we had and we still have cheap Valeriana officinalis that is know since ancient Greece (and other mild herbal drugs). while I recall that in the very same 1991 in USA there already was a relatively big market for synthetic antidepressants. and now — oh, let's open Wikipedia on Fluoxetine: “Over 22.2 million prescriptions for generic formulations of fluoxetine were filled in the United States in 2007, making it the third most prescribed antidepressant” — that's not even an epidemic, it's a pandemia, completely unhealthy


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krskrft
krskrft
Tue, Jan. 13th, 2009 05:03 pm (UTC)

And Russia's suicide rate is nearly triple America's and, surprisingly, beats out even Japan and South Korea, at least by the 2005 figures on Wikipedia.

Relying so heavily, as a culture, on pharmaceuticals may not be the ideal of good health, but nor is the cultural ideal of "get your shit together" an ideal of good health. I think we're looking at two extremes here: one that is so obsessive about mental health that it creates unnecessary categories just so it can diagnose people and get them on drugs, and another that is just unduly and cruelly dismissive of mental anguish.


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aienn
aienn
aienn
Tue, Jan. 13th, 2009 10:07 pm (UTC)

well, let's peruse WHO data:
Russia
USA
Finland
[country list]

I say, this data doesn't really speak. Russia with its consistently failing health services shows triple the American rate, but here comes our small northern neighbor Finland with less suicide cases than us but twice the American rate — and Finland is a country with excellent healtcare system (I had several chances to visit their medical facilities while accompanying my mum) and overall quality of life that is much higher than in Ru.Fed (again, I've been there numerous times to be able to compare). Yes, Russia has other problems, like hundreds of thousands of people dying each year not of even alcoholism but of poisoning by substances containing traces of technical spirits (very ugly indeed), but our suicide data doesn't really relate to US of A or to Suomi Fi — and in Suomi Fi it's completely normal to cure depression with medication, and yet they have twice the American suicide cases. If we compare suicidal age groups in Finland and Denmark, we'll see amusingly different data (I'll leave that to you). Um?


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krskrft
krskrft
Wed, Jan. 14th, 2009 12:34 am (UTC)

You're missing the point. I'm merely trying to point out that Russia's response to mental anguish, as you describe it, probably shouldn't be taken as any sort of ideal of treatment. In many ways, I'd rather that my country be obsessive about mental illness, and in that way at the very least be open to talking about the anguish that the language of "mental illness" (whether real or not) attempts to describe, than live in a place where people just tell you to buck up and get over it. At the end of the day, nobody is forcing pills down an American adult's throat. The reason why I get so bent out of shape with ADHD diagnoses in children is only because they don't have the same choice to stay off medication, especially if their parents are in on it.


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