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Sun, Jan. 25th, 2009 04:02 am
Siding with Cage against Branca

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sarmoung
sarmoung
The Empire Never Ended
Sun, Jan. 25th, 2009 11:19 am (UTC)

It's that Apollo/Dionysus thing again, innit? I mumble to myself over coffee. I can see Branca and mates staggering around town late at night and punching the air as they shout "Rock and Roll!". John Cage pulls the window shut, a touch of Kenneth Williams to his pained expression of revulsion.

How much of this is age? Just as I find crowded and noisy environments increasingly difficult ones to conduct a conversation in, I also avoid musical performances at sustained high volumes. My hearing has changed, I'm going deaf, I listen differently.

I wonder what sex would be like with Branca or Cage. Probably meat and potatoes with the first and rather unpredictable with the second. Either could turn tedious in the long run.


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imomus
imomus
imomus
Sun, Jan. 25th, 2009 12:59 pm (UTC)

I think it is something to do with age, but also personality. I think I've always liked intimate, friendly artforms rather than bombastic ones. And I think the politics inherent in form is something critics seem to have a blindspot about. Critics seem willing to forgive an awful lot of fascist signifiers in the artists they like. (I say this, of course, as a David Bowie fan who forgave him the whole "Hitler and the grail" schtick.)


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uberdionysus
uberdionysus
Troy Swain: Black Box Miasma
Mon, Jan. 26th, 2009 08:57 am (UTC)

Critics are careful because that type of analysis more often leads to ideas about Degenerate Art which have been wholly negative in the past.

Your claim that you and Cage's analysis is correct would make intense music inherently evil (or at the very least "extremely problematic" which is academese for "reeeaally fucking bad"), and would make the followers of intensity dupes to fascism.

Obviously, most people into intense music disagree with you, and asserting that you are right is, in itself, a fascist tendency.

Also, as I said, the long running discussions of intensity in both philosophy and religion state that intensity in art is typically attempts to disengage the self, which as you said in an earlier comment, is something you loathe to do (unless it's on your own terms (in that you try a new mask)).


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