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Sun, Jan. 25th, 2009 04:02 am
Siding with Cage against Branca

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imomus
imomus
imomus
Sun, Jan. 25th, 2009 12:41 pm (UTC)

Well, whenever there's an open public battle between two principles, that's what we do, isn't it? We decide which side we're on. If we believe the issues matter, at least.

I'm on Cage's side despite seeing problems with his paradoxes, and problems with the idea of judging art as a series of utopian visions of society.


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qscrisp
qscrisp
Sun, Jan. 25th, 2009 01:22 pm (UTC)

In theory, at least, I have more sympathy for the Cage position, too, but I do think you (as in 'you, Momus') can appreciate (what you've written previously demonstrates this) that not everything is an either/or proposition.

The essential issue you've written about (how to be open to what is closed, or whether you should be open to it), really is something that occupies a lot of mental space for me. I do find myself taking sides, but this frustrates me. It doesn't seem to get anywhere. It seems like conflict almost for the sake of it in the end, not in order to arrive at a resolution. And I am reminded of this:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=56hiB4eTzBE



I suppose eternal war of this sort is tolerable if no one is playing to win, but only playing to play. But really to wish to vanquish the enemy, to have no more bambastic, climactic art, for instance... Well, in this particular case, such a victory doesn't really appeal to me. I suppose there might be some areas in which I'd like to see such a victory.

On the whole, though, I don't think it always is necessary to take sides, especially. To give a very simple example, I listen to Momus and to ... well, I'm not sure how serious and adamant you are in disparaging certain musical rivals, but... Nick Cave etc. Even sometimes to Metallica. I don't think I could stretch to Japanther, though, without training in contortionism.


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qscrisp
qscrisp
Sun, Jan. 25th, 2009 01:26 pm (UTC)

I meant 'bombastic', of course. I don't know if that comment (in which I spelt 'bombastic' wrongly) was attached to the comment above this comment. It was meant to be.


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imomus
imomus
imomus
Sun, Jan. 25th, 2009 02:31 pm (UTC)

But really to wish to vanquish the enemy, to have no more bombastic, climactic art, for instance... Well, in this particular case, such a victory doesn't really appeal to me.

Oh, you can take sides without banishing or vanquishing, Quentin! As Cage says, "We can both live".


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qscrisp
qscrisp
Sun, Jan. 25th, 2009 10:02 pm (UTC)

Somehow I always manage to overlook the obvious.


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uberdionysus
uberdionysus
Troy Swain: Black Box Miasma
Mon, Jan. 26th, 2009 08:47 am (UTC)

The problem of the left is finding major differences where there are only minor quibbles.


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