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Sun, Jan. 25th, 2009 04:02 am
Siding with Cage against Branca

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imomus
imomus
imomus
Sun, Jan. 25th, 2009 01:51 pm (UTC)

To your earlier points about the Chinese constitution, I'd say it's all in the interpretation and implementation, isn't it? I'm not a big fan of bills of rights. First of all, they imply that rights are given by some kind of central authority. Secondly, their seemingly-firm commitments can dissolve when interpreted by those authorities, or lawyers, or individuals. For instance, you took "may not compel" to mean "may not persuade". That's already a big semantic jump.

To your later point about fixed meanings, art and culture simply don't work without some agreements on the shared meanings of things. That's not to say we can't challenge those definitions around the edges, but what usually happens is that we replace one set of cliches (mainstream) with another (alternative). Someone going further than that is probably not communicating very effectively.


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(Anonymous)
Sun, Jan. 25th, 2009 02:07 pm (UTC)

Ha...Did Cage really say this?

"One of the things I dislike the most about European music is the presence of climaxes. And what I see in Branca, as in Wagner, is a sustained climax. Hmm? It also suggests that what is not it is not climactic. One of the principal statements, for me, in Zen Buddhism is "nichi nichi kore kōnichi" -- every day is a beautiful day. "

If so, he was ripping off - almost word for word - something that Alan Watts wrote in the 1950s. The cheeky monkey.




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imomus
imomus
imomus
Sun, Jan. 25th, 2009 02:41 pm (UTC)

Did Cage really say this?

You can hear Cage saying that in the tape.

He also says "I don't think by any means that Branca is ahead of something. He may be popular at the moment, but nothing is more fickle than popularity." Cage, as a stalwart of the very advanced avant gardes of Modernism and the radicalism of the 50s and 60s, was identifying something backward-moving in the avant garde of the 80s. I think he was correct about that. After about 1980 both society and art have been moving backwards by the standards people like Cage and Buckminster Fuller set. Branca is politically less advanced than Cage.


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endoftheseason
endoftheseason
Sun, Jan. 25th, 2009 10:20 pm (UTC)

Yep.


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