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Tue, Apr. 21st, 2009 01:19 am
Did Beatnik Grifter Play On Loathsome Hipster Negro Fetish?

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tropigalia
tropigalia
Dewy-Eyed Disney Bride
Tue, Apr. 21st, 2009 03:54 am (UTC)
Re: i could say something useful but i prefer schadenfreude

this comment is pretty much why jezebel wrote the article the way they did. jesus.


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tropigalia
tropigalia
Dewy-Eyed Disney Bride
Tue, Apr. 21st, 2009 04:23 am (UTC)
Re: i could say something useful but i prefer schadenfreude

dude you look just like sean astin!

also yes


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tropigalia
tropigalia
Dewy-Eyed Disney Bride
Tue, Apr. 21st, 2009 04:43 am (UTC)
Re: i could say something useful but i prefer schadenfreude

i am getting Way Into It (as in Way In Over My Head) with krskrft

i usually start out trolling when i comment here too


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krskrft
krskrft
Tue, Apr. 21st, 2009 04:12 am (UTC)
Re: i could say something useful but i prefer schadenfreude

I would argue that there really is a severe, institutionalized tendency for white women to take particular offense to a white man dating an East Asian woman.

If East Asian women are fetishized by western men as passive and submissive, and are perceived as liable to be charmed by these attributes, then it would make sense that, to many western women, the East Asian woman is a "passive temptress," using her latent charms to turn white men into race traitors.

I think one would be hardpressed to find Jezebel making similar comments about black women or hispanic women, yet they spout (and even feature) this nonsense, seemingly oblivious of the fact that it is a terribly racist assumption. Of course, they try to frame it so it's about the pathetic white male hipsters, but the most dangerous assumption they make is about East Asian women, that they possess these innate allures that threaten to turn our available men into slobbering idiots. And they do this--as Momus notes--even though everything we know about Kari Ferrell points to her being the exact opposite of "submissive" or "passive," but actually rather on the sexually aggressive end of the spectrum, which should have been a turn-off had this horrid stereotype actually been true.


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tropigalia
tropigalia
Dewy-Eyed Disney Bride
Tue, Apr. 21st, 2009 04:22 am (UTC)
Re: i could say something useful but i prefer schadenfreude

"If East Asian women are fetishized by western men as passive and submissive, and are perceived as liable to be charmed by these attributes, then it would make sense that, to many western women, the East Asian woman is a 'passive temptress,' using her latent charms to turn white men into race traitors."

This, to me, looks like men trying to turn women against each other. In my experience, white women don't blame Asian women for attracting white men and making them 'race traitors'. They blame men who have antiquated ideas about the differences between Asian and white women, the ideas Momus references about submissiveness and being demure. Or the ones another commenter was saying about Asian women being the only skinny women left in America.

"Of course, they try to frame it so it's about the pathetic white male hipsters, but the most dangerous assumption they make is about East Asian women, that they possess these innate allures that threaten to turn our available men into slobbering idiots."

I guess it could be read that way but I see it as Jezebel saying that, regardless of what Kari or any other Asian woman's actual distinct, individual personality is, they don't see her. They see their dream!: an Asian girl who will sleep with them. That's why they're pathetic. Because they have racial preferences based on qualities which aren't even accurate. I think you're pinning the 'racist' thing on the wrong people.

Edited at 2009-04-21 04:24 am (UTC)


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krskrft
krskrft
Tue, Apr. 21st, 2009 04:34 am (UTC)
Re: i could say something useful but i prefer schadenfreude

Wait, what?

This discussion on Jezebel didn't start with a man. The "hipster grifter" story broke, and some Jezebel writer decided that the angle was going to be that obviously this Korean-American girl chose the perfect rubes, because male hipsters just have an insatiable desire for Asian flesh.

I mean, can't you see how absolutely demeaning that is to Asian women? I know that Kari Ferrell isn't popular or anything, and she's got all this outrage directed towards her, but I don't see why that's grounds for basically saying "oh, well her goal MUST have been to use her innate Asian charms to seduce all the male hipsters, who happen also to have an innate desire to be with Asian women." I mean, first and foremost, it's super offensive to Asian women. And secondarily, it's a really stupid and pointless assumption to make about an entire group of men.

And it's coming right from Jezebel. From women, no less. Yet somehow, this is all just part of the patriarchy's giant scheme to make women fight one another. So if you're a woman, you're not responsible for what you say, esp. if you work for Jezebel, a publication which would seemingly be aimed at subverting the schemes of the patriarchy.

Yeah, that makes a great deal of sense, now that I think about it.


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tropigalia
tropigalia
Dewy-Eyed Disney Bride
Tue, Apr. 21st, 2009 04:40 am (UTC)
Re: i could say something useful but i prefer schadenfreude

Having re-read the Jezebel article, I can see what you're saying. I was arguing that, whether she was actively using her ~*ASIAN DRAGON LADY CHARMS*~ (which as I now see Jezebel seemed to have been seriously arguing for) or not, that the dudes involved may still have been more susceptible to her scams because they were Pinkertons and were all, "Hey I can finally bang an Asian chick!"

Which is still possibly racist of me, I'll concede that.

I definitely disagree with Jezebel that Kari or any Asian woman actually has ASIAN DRAGON LADY CHARMS, though.

"And secondarily, it's a really stupid and pointless assumption to make about an entire group of men."

Idk about this. I won't speak for Asian girls since that'd certainly be stupid and pointless, but I guess some are bothered enough by the whole subculture to make a comm like antipinkerton


Edited at 2009-04-21 04:42 am (UTC)


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tropigalia
tropigalia
Dewy-Eyed Disney Bride
Tue, Apr. 21st, 2009 04:47 am (UTC)
Re: i could say something useful but i prefer schadenfreude

"or, as my friend put it when he read this story: when a girl asks a guy if he wants a blowjob, a guy is going to say yes. whether or not she's a hipster grifter asian-american."

haha ok yes that is an excellent point and something simple enough to go over my naive little head

you can troll me anytime bb because you look like a movie star


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krskrft
krskrft
Tue, Apr. 21st, 2009 05:18 am (UTC)
Re: i could say something useful but i prefer schadenfreude

Yeah, that is kind of amusing, isn't it? Apparently, Ferrell made several notes, one saying "I want to give you a hand-job with my mouth" and another saying "I'm Korean Abdul-Jabbar." It's interesting how Jezebel would imagine the "Korean Abdul-Jabbar" comment to be more titillating than the offer of a blowjob. I guess that's one way of looking at the male sex drive.


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krskrft
krskrft
Tue, Apr. 21st, 2009 05:19 am (UTC)
Re: i could say something useful but i prefer schadenfreude

Also, I can imagine the guy who fits Jezebel's profile:

"Ehhh, I get napkins with blowjob offers written on them all the time. Why should I be impressed?"


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