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The underclass wants to become the overman! - click opera
February 2010
 
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Wed, Dec. 9th, 2009 04:50 am
The underclass wants to become the overman!

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imomus
imomus
imomus
Wed, Dec. 9th, 2009 12:50 am (UTC)

Yes, I think you're echoing some of Erich Fromm's ideas in To Have or To Be. Asceticism is not the answer.

Edited at 2009-12-09 12:55 am (UTC)


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(Anonymous)
Wed, Dec. 9th, 2009 07:43 am (UTC)

we ought to let Erich speak for himself:

FROMM: "The person exclusively concerned with having and possession is a neurotic, mentally sick person; hence it would follow that the society in which most of the members are anal characters is a sick society."


as for a way of responding "productively" to the hyper-capitalism of japan, america and elsewhere:

It might take the form of “productive passivity”.’ In other words, doing and making nothing might be the most effective way to be active and productive.

sounds like a plan!

seriously, it's getting a little silly around here when momus is compelled to obfuscate the hyper-capitalism of japan. but god help you if you're in a western society doing so!!! you're a philistine! mindless consumer! etc.





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robotmummies
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ad reinhardt
Thu, Dec. 10th, 2009 02:32 am (UTC)

I might disagree that it is necessarily neurosis or mental illness to centralize one's self-concept on one's role in production/consumption; rather i think it's like a kind of post-historical paganism. a practical, subliminal religion, with mysteries that don't reveal themselves as anything but abstract, natural, profane forces that compel us, like rain or fertility would be to "primitives." marxism as a political system exemplifies how powerful capital as a religious force is in that, as a supposed alternative to capitalism, it merely increases reverence for the human role in the process of serving as a metabolism for economics. aesceticism as far as this goes is a naive solution, but i think becoming some kind of monk or hermit or diogenes-type could be actual alternatives, although on an individual level moreso than a viable alternative for culture as a whole. i think the solution will be when technology makes human labor and all forms of economy we can imagine now obsolete and we have no choice but to reconsider what it means to be alive.


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