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February 2010
Thu, Feb. 4th, 2010 02:01 am
Regal Zonophone


Thu, Feb. 4th, 2010 08:21 am (UTC)

I don't really accept that what last.fm listeners listen to has much to tell us apart from what it is that last.fm listeners listen to. Outside the US/UK and the major European cities, last.fm listeners are going to be a minuscule portion of the population that is already heaviily geared towards Anglo pop culture. For instance, when I was in Brazil, all I heard was Brazilian music and all people seemed to be interested in was Brazilian music, bar the odd Madonna CD or whatever. Walk into a random bar in Rio, and you are almost certainly going to hear Brazilian music. And yet last.fm supposedly tells a different story.


Thu, Feb. 4th, 2010 08:27 am (UTC)

Take a quick glance at the Brazilian top 20 and you'll see that the clear majority of songs are Brazilian.

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Thu, Feb. 4th, 2010 02:06 pm (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly right, but Momus doesn't want to talk about this sort of thing. He's ignored other similar comments about his argument's fallacy.

If you had ever actually been to these cities, you would know that the people in Louisville KY do not generally listen to Modest Mouse. This might blow your mind (Momus) but in these sorts of places, the internet is not used as a networking tool of the creative class. It's used as an escape by people who do NOT share the sensibilities of the local culture.

You are measuring the outliers... And surprise (!), heavy internet users share similar tastes.

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Thu, Feb. 4th, 2010 02:24 pm (UTC)

I have to agree completely here. This has been my experience as well. Except for a few of the mega artists (stones, madonna, beatles, michael etc.) you almost never heard anglo saxon artists on the radio or in the record stores. There would be rare exceptions. I remember that Queen were huge in Ecuador. But that was because they toured SA extensively in the late 80s. Also, the Ramones (rah-moan-ez) were bigger in Brazil than they ever were in the states, getting mobbed liked the beatles whenever they toured there. It makes me wonder if these lastfm stats are the result of college educated american and european IT workers being stationed in different countries?

This article gives a much better idea about the "art" being produced by china for foreign markets.

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Thu, Feb. 4th, 2010 05:12 pm (UTC)

counterpoint: the caymans in the 70s and 80s had one radio station and no tv. The radio would play caribbean flavored easy listening mixed with yacht rock and the occasional american country track from the 60s like don williams or charlie pride during the day, punctuated by bbc world service news on the hour. At night there would be an hour long religious broadcast from 8 to 9 (light organ music beneath low key sermons and scripture reading in that lovely sing song patois, and news of deaths and births on the island) and from 9 on there would be reggae shows (the old stuff from the 60s and 70s, not dancehall). By the early 90s, satellite dishes began sprouting in every yard which meant ameican tv, and there was another radio station modeled on the worst of american radio (K92 - playing the power hits!). A Hard Rock cafe was built in georgetown and at night, you would hear cars driving by with the dull thud of american rap boom booming from the trunk. Teens began wearing Tupac tee shirts.

To see the worst of american monoculture take over in the space of a few short years was sickening. I remember talking to a man who ran a dive shop who's family had been living there since 1960 who told me that his brother wouldn't even visit. That it wasn't his island anymore.

I guess I could be accused of conservative golden age-ism, and there is probably some truth to that, but I was there, and I miss the old Caymans. It really was special.

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Thu, Feb. 4th, 2010 06:19 pm (UTC)

I forgot what an interesting life you've had...
You've been all over the place.

Indiana Jones.

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