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Fri, Feb. 5th, 2010 10:43 am
Mr Pantouffle's self-fab skyhut

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(Anonymous)
Fri, Feb. 5th, 2010 10:43 am (UTC)

Rooftop dwellers as the new noble savages! Do you think these people actually want</> to live in these conditions? Do you think they wouldn't jump at the chance to have a nice two-bedroom flat with separate kitchen & loo?


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imomus
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imomus
Fri, Feb. 5th, 2010 11:03 am (UTC)

Oh sure. But I'm not altogether convinced that what people want and what's good for either themselves or the world are 100% the same thing. I know that if I cpuld have whatever I wanted I'd probably become a moral, social and environmental disaster within weeks. Therein lies a slim Amis-slash-Voltaire-like volume of philosophical fiction. Shall propose to publishers Thursday. Thanks.


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imomus
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imomus
Fri, Feb. 5th, 2010 11:38 am (UTC)

Add: All Chinese want cars, but Chinese on bicycles is better for Chinese and better for world.

Add: People are quick to complain, when I feature poor things, "this house could be bigger, more expensive, etc". Why does nobody complain when I feature expensive things that "this could have been done more cheaply and efficiently?"

Add: Some of the wonder and beauty of the self-build skyhut is also packed into the ratios -- the ratio of effect achieved (dwelling) to materials used, the ratio of cost to effectiveness, the ratio of persons to space, the ratio of waste to utility, the ratio of work-time you have to put in to having a place to live. These ratios, together, make the self-fab skyhut a slim, fast and mean machine: maximum output for minimum input.

Add: By the same token, the "two-bedroom flat" you propose may have a lot of ugly ratios built into it; inefficiencies, rip-off, sprawl, slog, pollution. It's easy to not-see the beauty / ugliness of these ratios when considering ethics / aesthetics.


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imomus
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imomus
Fri, Feb. 5th, 2010 11:49 am (UTC)

Add: REBEL APPEAL! Each of these huts is a JAHWISE HAMMER OF THE BABYLON KING!


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(Anonymous)
Fri, Feb. 5th, 2010 12:56 pm (UTC)

Momus, don't you live in a spacious, well-appointed 75m2 flat or something? That's a lot of room for a childless couple. I doubt you'd last a week in one of those rooftop slums.

Yes of course the planet couldn't support everyone having what they want but I certainly believe everyone deserves habitation a little bit superior to cramped shantytowns dangerously perched on rooftops, is that asking too much?


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imomus
imomus
imomus
Fri, Feb. 5th, 2010 01:06 pm (UTC)

My flat is less than 50m2, as it happens, and there are two of us (plus territorially-aggresive rabbit) here.

I'm not sure what everyone in the world deserves, or what the world deserves from everyone, but I'd go back to the ratios: these huts achieve extraordinarily efficient ratios of expenditure to effectiveness. When you say "everyone deserves a big flat", do they also deserve to have to work long hours daily to pay a big rent for it? At a certain point (ie the UK private housing market) people are paying absurd amounts to live in nothing-special dwellings, and bartering huge chunks of their freedom in exchange for the privilege. I can't help feeling that if living in a small rooftop space for pretty much nothing works for you, you've executed a jolly clever dodge. At least until a typhoon hits, or the authorities close you down.


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(Anonymous)
Fri, Feb. 5th, 2010 02:00 pm (UTC)

And I can't help feeling that if you seriously think living in a flimsy slum thirty floors up where you can make dinner and sit on the toilet at the same time is a jolly clever dodge and an exemplary use of space, then you're playing woefully to type as the niggardly puritan Scot.

Combatting consumerist excess hardly means living in conditions that a tenement-dwelling immigrant in 19th century New York would have turned his nose up at. If people shouldn't always get what they want, nor should one push solutions that would have them running a mile.


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imomus
imomus
imomus
Fri, Feb. 5th, 2010 02:22 pm (UTC)



You're on the terrace, with a beer. You have electricity, so the beer is cool. You have no rent or mortgage, so you don't have to work too hard, you can just chill up here in the breeze. You live in a tropical zone, so the weather's never cold. You've put a plant on your roof to add a touch of green. The bustle of the city is nearby -- opportunities to work and to meet people -- but it's not on top of you. Your main concern is that this house you built yourself -- you're rather proud of it, actually -- will get redeveloped one day. You hope that happens later than sooner. Sip your beer!


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(Anonymous)
Fri, Feb. 5th, 2010 06:30 pm (UTC)

the above anon did not say "everyone deserves a big flat"


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milky_eyes
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milky_eyes
Sat, Feb. 6th, 2010 04:37 am (UTC)

Add: People are quick to complain, when I feature poor things, "this house could be bigger, more expensive, etc". Why does nobody complain when I feature expensive things that "this could have been done more cheaply and efficiently?"

ah. Again, I just started reading Click O. a few months ago.,, but as far as I can tell, people pretty much complain about anything you write about. If its 'expensive' then they do complain that your being;... whatever...too stuffy.... but anyways thats what makes this blog fun... its like a interesting mix of smart/stupid...

but personally I have no idea why people freak out about living in small places... I"ve lived in small places before... it ws fun to make it as compact as possible... but did have trouble bringing the girls over thou...

(but that may have been my haircut at the time, and lack of socially appealing manners)


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