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Sat, Mar. 19th, 2005 09:29 am
Racist robots

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imomus
imomus
imomus
Sat, Mar. 19th, 2005 04:25 pm (UTC)

Actually that's a good question. I was thinking about why this emerges as a theme in my writings so much. I think the answer is that there's a hidden third element to this binary, which is the "superstate" in which I live, Europe. (Actually, I had the same thought about Nathan Barley. If that show is a critique of both the style press and the tabloids, its hidden third element is the broadsheets.)

Let's look at the wars and robots issued raised today. Japan has racist isolationist robots, America racist imperialist robots. In Europe we don't have robots or imperialism. We have Turks, Poles, and others to do the very jobs the robots in Japan will be doing. And instead of having to invade other countries to bring them into the sphere of our influence, we have them queuing up to join the EU. So we need neither robots nor wars. My real position is not "It's either Japan or America". My real position is a European one. I'm actually very proud of being European, and I think the EU superstate is the world's best hope for a sane and humane future.

Admittedly Europe is a bit boring, but peaceful expansion is the way to go, and as I've said before, I very much support Turkey's application, and would welcome other Islamic nations too. I think, long range, there's even a chance Russia will join us, although I'm not sure Britain ever will. Britain will form "Angrael" with the US and Israel instead. Angrael will become an ultra-paranoid masonic-capitalist security tri-state, hovering like a masonic eye about a pyramid, protected by killer robots, enormous walls, and one billion security cameras, traversed by mobs of mangy super-poor homeless dreggoes and ruled by ultra-rich alpha lords.


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shadowblue
Mike
Sat, Mar. 19th, 2005 05:06 pm (UTC)

What I can't figure out, yet, is how to get Canada in the EU.

Without, you know, angering Angrael.


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alisgray
alisgray
spoonful of sugar, pinch of salt
Sat, Mar. 19th, 2005 05:10 pm (UTC)

I know you have toured the US, because I got to see a performance there. But have you ever lived there?


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imomus
imomus
imomus
Sat, Mar. 19th, 2005 05:56 pm (UTC)

I know you have toured the US, because I got to see a performance there. But have you ever lived there?

I lived in New York for two years. But since most of my experience there was spectacular media-oriented events like 9/11, the anthrax attacks and the invasion of Afghanistan rather than honey-collecting and farmer fundraisers, and since everyone knows NY is not USA (except for a couple of months after 9/11), I really can't say I lived in the US. I merely lived in the media projection of the US constructed by people like Bush and Bin Laden, who fancy themselves the authors of contemporary reality, and in fact are, despite being insane.


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alisgray
alisgray
spoonful of sugar, pinch of salt
Sat, Mar. 19th, 2005 06:09 pm (UTC)

ha. I follow you, I think.

the entire nation suffers seriously from the townie vs. upstate dichotomy. it's part of how we got into this mess in the first place. very schizophrenic country.


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(Anonymous)
Sat, Mar. 19th, 2005 09:25 pm (UTC)

"...since everyone knows that NY is not USA"

To say that New York is not the USA is Momus at work "authenticating" the rest of the US for us. You could also say that, pick any state, ex. Kansas is not really the USA. Kansas is superflat, proudly displays the World's largest prairie dog; the tallest thing in Kansas is viagra spokesman and Kansas native Bob Dole laying on his back! It is very similar to how you stated that Hakodate was so un-"Japanese" (almost "American") because it had too many cars and did not fit your preconceived notions of how "authentic" Japan should be.

You are setting up the other 49 US states as a reversely monstrous Vatican to your Roman, oh but they have such a wonderful Circus Maximus, New York. It simply comes down to NY not fitting the current picture of the "Christian soldier" USA that you wish to paint at the moment.


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(Anonymous)
Sat, Mar. 19th, 2005 06:34 pm (UTC)

Careful. It's a very small step from asssuming masonic conspiracy to assuming jewish world conspiracy.
And what happened to yet/also? Many of the most liberating and progressive thoughts/inventions still come from the US.


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imomus
imomus
imomus
Sat, Mar. 19th, 2005 07:00 pm (UTC)

I wouldn't mind a Jewish world conspiracy as long as it was the right Jews. Am I allowed to handpick which ones are in on it? Do they have to be living, or can they conspire from the grave? What about Serge Gainsbourg, Franz Kafka, Leonard Cohen, Freud and Marx, Adorno and Benjamin, Woody Allen and Ben Jacobs aka Max Tundra?

I think there's plenty of Yet/Also in my final paragraph, which says that good things will continue to come from the US, whatever they try to foist on us. When you use words like "liberating" (a word George Bush has used to mean "invading") and "progressive" (a word the neocons probably understand in their own hideous way) of the current US, though, it has to be remembered that many people around the world would see it as much more useful to be liberated from America rather than by it. If we agree with Noam Chomsky's idea that "there are now two superpowers in the world -- the US and world opinion", it seems clear that any idea that world opinion would find "liberating" would probably undo most of the things we're seeing the US do at the moment, whether it's getting fatter, persecuting drag queens like Michael Jackson, invading and threatening countries, or appointing hawks with no development experience to head the World Bank.


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(Anonymous)
Sat, Mar. 19th, 2005 07:42 pm (UTC)

Brand new: Mix and Match Conspiracy Kit!

It's part of the neo-con revolution to try to capture words like "liberating" and "progressive", but that shouldn't stop one from using them. I meant things like "teh interweb", social computing, the new york review of books, etc. And there is a reason why these things come from the US.

Btw., Chomsky is giving a lecture here in Berlin on Wednesday, in case you didn't know.


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qscrisp
qscrisp
Sat, Mar. 19th, 2005 11:58 pm (UTC)

Do correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm informed that the interweb was 'invented' by an Englishman. I'm not sure exactly how a single person invents such a thing, so this is more an enquiry than a statement.


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imomus
imomus
imomus
Sun, Mar. 20th, 2005 12:10 am (UTC)

The internet was developed by the US military, but the way hypertext forms the "world wide web" was invented by an Englishman working in Switzerland, Tim Berners-Lee, in 1981.


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qscrisp
qscrisp
Sun, Mar. 20th, 2005 12:51 am (UTC)

Thank you. At least I know I'm not entirely misinformed.


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(Anonymous)
Sun, Mar. 20th, 2005 09:46 am (UTC)

jeez. I see your Tim Berners Lee and I raise you a Vannevar Bush. And a netscape (without which the web would still be ASCII). Etc. But it's not the people inventing the things, it's where they are taken up and and are developed, where there's a climate of experimentation. That may be decreasing in the US, but it's not yet dead.


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stanleylieber
stanleylieber
Stanley Lieber
Sat, Mar. 19th, 2005 11:33 pm (UTC)

Will become??


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